Post by Danielle Reyes on Jan 23, 2015 0:32:29 GMT -5
OMG YAY!! you girls rock, like you're totally the best.
Nicole- im SO going to vote for you cause you played such a great game and were SO HONEST during the WHOLE thing. omgod, like superstar!!! congrats on my vote!
Heather- NINJA SISTAAHH totally getting my vote. If you don't win it'll be a TRAVESTY, like honestly.
............
ha.
Clearly i'm giving one of you false hope for no reason. Just like you both did to me. Thanks for that, really.
But my question is, why is your game better than the other lying blonde next to you.
Hey Danni, I understand that you're upset and I honestly don't blame you. Giving you false hope the round that you left was not my intention but it still happened and for that I'm truly sorry. The last thing that I wanted to do was hurt you or anyone else in this game. I'm sure that you felt especially betrayed by me because of the alliance that the two of us had. When you approached me with an offer to go to the Final Two the week that Caleb left, I accepted because I felt like I would have been foolish to say no. I did want to work with you, but my loyalty was always going to be to Nicole first. I would have liked for us to go a lot further together but around the time of your eviction I began to get the sense that your trust in me was waning (albeit for good reason) and so I didn't fight for you as hard as I could have. Once the momentum shifted back to you leaving over Donny, I sort of just let you go and I do apologize for that.
Getting to your question, I believe that my game was better than Nicole’s primarily because I played harder. Everything I did in this house was with the ultimate goal of me winning in mind. If I didn’t like the direction that the game was heading, I actively went out and worked to change things so that they went in my favor instead. For example, as you know, the round that Nathan left, Leo was originally going to evict Jessica in that tie, but I knew that only Leo benefitted from that move; if Nathan stayed, the rest of us in Leo's so called alliance would have been up a creek. While Caleb and Nicole expressed their frustrations about Leo to me behind his back, I circumvented the needless hemming and hawing and I went to work fixing things. In the group chat that the four of us had with Donny, I wasted no time spelling the entire situation out to everyone and I argued my point in such a way that Leo was basically forced to keep Jess, or at the very least pick a side in casting his vote. I wasn’t overly aggressive or hostile about it and I framed everything in a nice way, but I got what I wanted. I simply didn’t take no for an answer, not then and not at other crucial points of the season.
When Jerry told me to my face that he had changed his mind and was evicting me at the Final Six, instead of being resigned to my fate, I went into overdrive. I campaigned and I reasoned with him and ultimately, his uncertainty about the move that he was making, coupled with the fact that he had a good relationship with both Nic and me, was enough for me to be able to convince him that I was better for his game to have around.
The last thing that I will bring up is that as of Ryan’s eviction, I’m the only person remaining in the cast (aside from Victoria who was removed) who hasn’t had a single vote cast against me. I know that people saw me as a strong player and potential threat in this game from the very first week, so I think that’s quite an accomplishment.
Thank you for your question and your statement Danni and good luck with your decision.
Post by Danielle Reyes on Jan 23, 2015 6:42:38 GMT -5
So, i really only read that first part, once i saw what i knew was true. Giving me false hope and not really caring if i left. i kinda just didn't care about the rest of your words. Goodluck.
To say that I simply didn't care if you left Danni is just untrue. I flipped that entire vote for you to stay once that round, only for it to flip back because of Jessica accidentally spooking Nicole. Even though I was getting really strange vibes from you in those last few days, I still really liked you as a person and, on a game level, I felt that you leaving didn't really benefit me at all.
No one ever set out to give you false hope. It happened yes, in that you thought you were staying (which when I told you that you were staying, you were) but the tides simply turned. It happens in Big Brother all the time. I had to make a choice at that point and I went with what I felt was best for me given what I knew at the time. I voted to evict you because if I hadn't, I'd have been betraying Nicole and also handing you the game on a silver platter. I'm so sorry that I hurt you, but I had to do what was best for my game at that point and that was letting you go.
Post by Nicole Franzel on Jan 23, 2015 17:40:31 GMT -5
My game was better than Heather's because I feel like while Heather was a big target, I was able to use that to my advantage and work strategically behind the scenes to do what I felt was best for my game every week and to get to the final 2 and hopefully win.
Some examples would be: the week that Luisa left, Heather brought up wanting to keep Luisa since Victoria would prob not vote. I went along with it and agreed that I would talk to Donny about it but I made sure that Donny knew that I wanted Jessica to stay so that nothing would come from that. I was close with Jessica then and felt like she would be better to stay for my game, which proved to be important in the next few weeks.
The week that you left, Heather had told me that you were thinking about using me as a pawn if you were to win HoH (before I posted noms) and then later Jessica showed me a convo where you said that you would nom me/donny or me/heather - I know it was before veto ceremony or whatever but that confirmed that you were close with Jessica and I knew that you and Heather were super close too. I knew that if you left, it would take away someone that was close with a ton of people and would also make sure that Heather/Jessica stayed close with me and would limit their options too. That and also the fact that you knew that you were going to leave once Ryan won veto after being told you were a pawn - how would you be able to trust someone after that? It would've always been in the back of your mind. Those were all things that went through my mind that round.
The week after, when Jessica got evicted, Jessica thought I was keeping her and she would tell me that Jerry and Donny were keeping her and meanwhile Jerry was telling me that he was keeping Heather. She also told me that Jerry said that I was voting her out and that made me paranoid about what Jerry was doing - so I asked him about it. Jerry said that he changed his mind and I think that he probably would've waited until after votes were locked or something if I didn't ask and then we would've been blindsided without there being a chance for Heather to fight to stay. I also feel like if I told Jess I was voting her out earlier, she never would've told me those things and then she would've fought harder to stay too and that would've been a big mess.
I also won comps that were crucial for Heather and I both to stay - such as winning the f6 veto which made it possible for us both to survive that week and also the final 4 veto.
Sorry for this being so long! Those are all examples that I feel shows that I was always thinking about what was best for me to get to the final 2.
Last Edit: Jan 23, 2015 17:41:04 GMT -5 by Nicole Franzel
I'd like to comment on some of Nicole's response, not because she doesn't bring up good points, but just for clarificatory purposes in defending my own game.
I did mull over the idea to Nicole, of keeping Luisa at the Final Eight, but that was primarily because I felt that it could be smart to leave in a perceived bigger threat. I had a strong working relationship with both Jess and Luisa from the very beginning, so the possibility of Luisa staying was more about the climate of the game at that time rather than about my relationship with Jess personally.
Still, Nicole working behind my back to make sure that Jess didn't go that round is actually a pleasant surprise to hear about and something that I commend her for. Setting yourself up and doing your own thing is great. I would be more impressed though if she'd actually planned on doing something with those connections that she built, like for instance trying to go to the finals with Jess or even with Donny. Ensuring that Jess stayed around as a trump card, only to evict her two rounds later over me, seems like a bit of a missed opportunity. With Donny and Jerry initially planning on taking me out that week, Nicole wouldn't have even needed to vote for me at the Final Six; I still would have gone to the jury, none of the wiser, campaigning for her to win. I can understand I guess if the goal was to keep me around as a shield or as a stronger ally, but a similar opportunity presented itself to Nicole at the Final Four as well, so I have to wonder if it wasn't all sort of for nothing.
Obviously I appreciate Nicole's ultimate loyalty to me, loyalty that I reciprocated when I won the Final Head of Household, but it seems sort of like all of this work went into setting herself up as a player independent of the two of us, and yet nothing ever really came of it. She still willingly chose to go to the Final Three with Ryan and myself, two of the biggest perceived threats of the entire game. So while it might be true that Nicole put herself in a position to make it to the end at all costs, it was at the expense of what I believe were her best odds of winning.
Post by Nicole Franzel on Jan 23, 2015 22:34:04 GMT -5
Building those connections gave me options. I always had options of what I wanted to do and decided on what was best for me. I kept you at final 6 over Jess because if you would've left I would've been one of the next targets. You were also completely loyal to me so why would I get rid of someone who wouldn't evict me and was strong too? It was in my best interest to keep you at final 6 over Jess/want you to stay.
At Final 4, I actually did consider everything and thought about evicting you, but it's the same case as before. You would have taken me to the finals. I would've had to win Part 3 of the final hoh if you were gone. By evicting Donny, it took away the person that Ryan would have 100% taken to final 2. Evicting you would have just made everything harder for me when it didn't need to be. Making final 2 is definitely better than getting 3rd place for nothing. I was also confident in my game and that I could make a good case of how I played to be able to win against anyone so it didn't matter who was in final 3 with me at that point.
Bigger risk, bigger reward though. Playing it safe isn't always the best game move, even if it guarantees you a spot in the finals, which I'm not so sure that you were hands down guaranteed a spot here if Ryan had won either.
And side deals and connections outside of your primary alliance are great to have and they do give you options but heck, I had options too. I don't think it's fair for the jury to get the impression that I didn't have backup plans and contingency plans and other relationships of my own because I did.
For instance, I can't say for certain what would have happened, but I was approached by Jerry at the Final Six, before the Veto had even been played, and he was actively talking to me about getting the votes to keep me over you if neither of us came off the block. He could have been lying to me, sure, but the fact that he approached me about it made me think otherwise. You had a good relationship with Jess, that's great, I had a strong relationship with her too, one stemming from the very first week that we were in this house. If you (or I) hadn't won the Veto that round, I was ready.
I was also prepared at the Final Four with a PM typed up and ready to be sent to Donny if he or Ryan won that Veto. It outlined all of the reasons why I felt like it was smarter for him to keep me over you. Obviously I never had to send it.
I'm not trying to be argumentative or hostile but I just want to make sure that it doesn't get misconstrued that my game was completely on its face or something like that. I was playing behind the scenes just as hard as I was on the surface.